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Has anybody been here since 2005? I just found out about this group and, as a retired/disabled firefighter, am interested in networking with other firefighters. Paid, volunteer, active, retired, disabled or just plain quit...I enjoy intelligent conversation about the firehouse with anyone.
Who wants to try it?
Who wants to try it?
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Tue, May 29, 2007 - 1:50 PMOK. Me. At work now. Shh. lol -
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Wed, May 30, 2007 - 12:15 PMGlad to hear there's still folks in here. I've gotten a couple of replies so I'm answering them all and seeing who wants to be on my friends list.
Going from Austin to Houston has got to be a drag. Which station do you work at? I was a Captain with the Clear Lake Fire Department for about eight years. We backed up station 72. I was there from '82 till '92.
I'll send an invite for my friends list.
Hope I hear from another Texan!
Rick
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Wed, May 30, 2007 - 11:30 AMI've gotten a couple of responses so far. I guess it's not as dead as it appears.
Your bio is funny and tastes are rather eclectic LOL.
Where do you live now? Are you a firefighter anywhere?
I'll send you a request to add to my friends list.
Rick
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Fri, June 1, 2007 - 8:27 AMYeah, there's still a bunch of folks here. Just some of us are busy wading through all the Burningman posts in other Tribes.
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Fri, June 1, 2007 - 1:36 PMI'm still here....intelligent conversation about the firehouse,huh? How about:
Chain of Command vs. independant thinkers
Most of us have prob. been on both sides of this one---I am sure we can all agree that Chain of Command is essential to complete our missions--but what about when you are working for idiots, how do you maike sure you and your crew come home safe? How about being the "in Command" and having dissenttion in the ranks.... -
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Fri, June 1, 2007 - 3:41 PMOh, good topic Ande...
Mostly because I can argue that one from both sides.
If you post it, I will respond.
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Sun, June 3, 2007 - 9:08 AMOh...eclectic, am I. I will tell my captain that next time he is staring at me with That Look.
I am at Station 56 on Little York and 59. I just finished up a couple of years at Stat 7. As you are probably aware everyone and their dog is studying for EO in HFD right now (I swear I saw some chiefs walking around with the books) so 56's is a great place to study. A rotation house now, too...
How long were you with Clear Lake?
Do post the Chain of Command one.... -
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Mon, June 4, 2007 - 9:12 AMOK, you were downtown. I was with Clear Lake for eight years. It was right at the time when Houston was fighting their incorporation in court. When it was finally settled in Houston's favor, they brought in 72's. The snag they hit was in sufficient equipment for a box alarm. They were planning on backup from JSC and found out it was wrong. The equipment at JSC wasn't allowed to leave the premises.
There was a big battle when HFD wanted to contract with Clear Lake to be the second-in engine. The union raised hell because we were part paid, part volunteer and not union members. With all the stink they raised about "professional" firefighters, I finally pulled out our records and showed where the average FF on our department had over 15 years experience and six were currently paid on other departments. Forty percent of our department was rated "Advanced Firefighter" by state standards and five were state certified instructors teaching at A&M. We asked the judge if the union was using the word "professional" in place of "union member" and, if so, the case should be found in our favor. The city wanted it and the union didn't so an agreement was reached whereby we would open a second bank account for those funds from the contract and none of it would be used for salaries.
The only problem we had after that was an attitude problem from one of 72's Captains. He was the only one that had nothing but derogatory statements about our department and felt that, even if we were first on scene and our chief had set up command, he was IC as soon as he showed up and didn't any input from us as to what had happened up to that point. His countermanding existing orders did, in fact, lead to some serious problems that sometimes led to safety violations. We complained, he was reprimanded, we complained again and he was transferred.
I never heard of EO...what is it? When I left, they had just started the Master Firefighter program. -
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Sun, June 24, 2007 - 7:57 PMIm here...but Im not a firefighter anymore. Not an employed one anyhow. My job got shut down at 8AM October 15 after what amounted to 203 years.
Im kinda looking at it through the concept of being sorta displaced or what have you.
All I know is for the first time in 24 years Im on the wrong side of the fire line tape and it sucks shit.
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Re: Anybody still out there?
Mon, June 4, 2007 - 8:55 AMI, too, have been on both sides of the Chain of Command situation. As a Company Captain, I've found that those under me who dissent respond best to reasonable reprimands. I always told my people that I had a "three strike rule"; the first time is when I tell you we have a problem and ask you to fix it. The second time, I tell you we have a problem and TELL you to fix it. The third time....your happy little ass is mine! It's only works if those above you back you up, though. I've been in situations where one of my chiefs just wanted to get his time in and get out without making any waves and would routinely countermand my punishments so there'd be on issues on his watch. Of course, the three strike rule is out the window if the problem is potentially threatening to life or limb. That demands immediate measures.
As a firefighter, I've had problems with IC's who shouldn't have been there. They were people who only got where they were by luck and attrition. In those cases, I would follow orders as to the intent of the order but do it in my own manner in order to stay safe. As an example, I once had an IC who order my team to make entry and go upstairs to fight the fire. We were the only team going in and I already knew the fire was downstairs. He wouldn't listen and insisted we to to the second floor. My team went in, put out the fire on the first floor and then went upstairs for a search for fire extension without worrying about it extending up our butts. It was no coincidence that, when the IC made entry for the overhaul, he found our line extending UP the stairs. Made him feel good and kept us alive.
I guess the best answer is to do what is necessary to stay safe while getting the job done and avoiding direct confrontation. If there's to be a confrontation, save it for the apparatus floor, not out in public.
Just my four cents (I rambled on a bit).
Rick
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